The Dave Chang Show

In this DCS Creative Lab session, Dave tests two dishes that will make their way to the counter soon for future guests. Dave further iterates on a dish he served to Chris Bianco, the Greek lemon-and-chicken-based avgolemono. Now, he's taking it to China for a version of sour egg drop soup. Dave also pivots a dish to an impromptu tteok mandu guk, a Korean rice cake and dumpling soup.How will these dishes turn out? Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave tries his hand at a Greek dish, avgolemono, and turns it into 3 dishes for a surprise drop-in guest, chef-owner of BIANCO restaurants, Chris Bianco. They talk about pressure cookers, the ultimate Italian soups, and lemon-forward food, amongst other topics. Dave finishes with an idea to take this dish from Greece to another country in a future episode. Learn more about Bianco: https://www.pizzeriabianco.com/ Host: Dave Chang Guests: Chris Bianco Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer, Noelle Cornelio Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this DCS Creative Lab, Dave tests dishes that might make their way to the counter soon for future guests. He tests out a braised tofu dish that he plans to serve to a big carnivore. Dave also tests out a chicken schnitzel based on an L.A. hot spot, but with his own salsa-seca-inspired twist. Find out how each dish turns out, and tune in to upcoming episodes to see how he changed and improved the dishes in their next iterations. Watch Dinner Time Live: https://www.netflix.com/title/81748864 Watch Dave's win (with Mina Kimes's help) on 'Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tmkOI6bWKs Watch the episode Dave mentions of 'Celebrity Feud': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpiOu1DV3rs Learn more about Mei Xin Restaurant Yokohama: https://www.hotpepper.jp/strJ001260607/ Learn more about Highly Likely: https://www.itshighlylikely.com/location/highland-park Learn more about Better Than Bouillon: https://www.betterthanbouillon.com/ Learn more about Eastside Tacos: https://eastsidetacos.com/ Visit us in stores and online https://Warbyparker.com/CHANG Host: Dave Chang Guests: Chris Ying, Producer David Meyer Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer, Noelle Cornelio Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave makes a version of New Mexico green chile stew for his friend, chef and scientist Chris Young. Chris also walks Dave through how to make the best french fries at home—from the freezer! Dave and Chris talk about their mindsets regarding the intersection of food and science, what they look for in restaurants now that they're older, and taking creative risks. Learn more about Chris Young Cooks: https://chrisyoungcooks.com/ Watch Chris Young's videos on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ChrisYoungCooks Watch Chris' soufflé video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU5u9UzZnEU&t=394s Learn more about Combustion Inc: https://combustion.inc/ Learn more about Modernist Cuisine: https://modernistcuisine.com/books/modernist-cuisine/ Learn more about The Fat Duck: https://thefatduck.co.uk/ Check out The Fat Duck cookbook: https://amzn.to/40mo19d Check out Harold McGee's book On Food and Cooking: https://amzn.to/4rp2NlS Learn more about Tire Shop Taqueria: https://www.yelp.com/biz/tire-shop-taqueria-los-angeles Learn more about Frontier Restaurant: https://www.frontierrestaurant.com/ Learn more about Sushi Sonagi: https://www.exploretock.com/sushi-sonagi-gardena/ Learn more about Arpège: https://www.alain-passard.com/en/ Check out Heston's Blumenthal's perfect French fry recipe in 'Pursuit of Perfection': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCB9jIpNGzY Learn more about Morton's: https://www.mortons.com/ Learn more about Joe's Stone Crab: https://joesstonecrab.com/ Host: Dave Chang Guest: Chris Young Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Michael Berger, Abby Zidonis, Marcus Yasui, Michael Delgado, Elizabeth Styles Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave makes Jamaican oxtails and "Chicken 66," an amalgamation of Chicken 65 and chilli chicken, for two smart guests: Lester Nare and physicist Krishna Choudhary, cohosts of one of his favorite podcasts, From First Principles. They talk about how they began their journeys in science, formed a friendship, and found a podcast format that works for both them and the layperson listener. They also discuss why science is important overall, Dave's unified theory of deliciousness, fresh spices versus ground, and, of course, MSG. Check out From First Principles: https://www.ffppod.com/ Check out From First Principles' double-slit episode: https://www.ffppod.com/episodes/ep3 Read Dave's "Unified Theory of Deliciousness" article: https://www.wired.com/2016/07/chef-david-chang-on-deliciousness/ Learn more about Diamond Crystal salt: https://www.diamondcrystalsalt.com/kosher-salt Learn more about Ajinomoto MSG: https://www.ajinomoto.com/ Learn more about Accent: https://accentflavor.com/product/flavor-enhancer/ Visit us in stores and online https://Warbyparker.com/CHANG Host: Dave Chang Guests: Lester Nare, Krishna Choudary Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Michael Berger, Abby Zidonis, Marcus Yasui, Michael Delgado, Elizabeth Styles Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave talks about his first experiences with TV and media as a chef and how that indirectly led to Lucky Peach. Dave then MacGyver's off-the-cuff, making a dish of succotash and spätzle, and inadvertently finding a cultural link between them and Brunswick stew. He finishes by answering an Ask Dave about his favorite chili pepper. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave has returned from a lovely trip to Paris and has plenty to say about it. He talks about where he ate, such as the incredible Maison Sota, which he thinks deserves more praise, and the great Bruno Verjus, with Bruno's unique story. Dave also discusses where he didn't get to eat, but would love to support. Dave also talks about how Paris is changing before he answers an Ask Dave about cooking from scratch in restaurants and at home. JOHN: https://stjohnrestaurant.com/ Learn more about From First Principles podcast: https://ffppod.com/ Learn more about Combustion Inc.: https://combustion.inc/ Learn more about The Fat Duck: https://thefatduck.co.uk/ Host: Dave Chang Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave makes an Italian Sunday dinner of braciola and red sauce for "Cousin Sal" Iacono, sports gambling enthusiast and prankster. Dave also surprises Sal with two dishes that Dave didn't make, including his favorite sandwich in Los Angeles. The duo discusses a buffet's worth of topics, from GLP-1s to sandwiches, sports betting to why Vegas is struggling, and hot dog–eating contests. They finish with a game of Inappropriate Dinner Conversations, which gets a little NSFW and a lot character-revealing. Learn more about The Masters: https://www.masters.com/index.html Learn more about Dave and Buster's: https://www.daveandbusters.com Learn more about The French Laundry Cookbook by Thomas Keller: https://amzn.to/4aRjBMr Learn more about White House Subs: https://www.whitehousesubshop.net/ Learn more about Bianco: https://www.pizzeriabianco.com/ Host: Dave Chang Guest: "Cousin Sal" Iacono Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Dionte Mercado, Dan McCoy, Michael Delgado, Abby Zidonis Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave makes an incredibly unlikely dish for him to make: a casserole. Dave has Oscar and Emmy-winning writer/director Cord Jefferson as his guest and makes chicken divan to try to bring him back to his childhood. The duo talk their recent trip to Las Vegas together, Cord's unusual route to where he is today, and their philosophies on failure and success. They talk about maintaining a worldly curiosity, trying new things, and how learning what you don't like can be just as important as learning what you do, then finish with a MOIF about Vegas. Follow Cord Jefferson on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cordjefferson/ Watch American Fiction: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt23561236/ Watch Mind of a Chef: https://www.pbs.org/show/mind-chef/ Watch Ugly Delicious: https://www.netflix.com/title/80170368 Watch Gattaca: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/ Learn more about the book Animal Liberation by Peter Singer: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/animal-liberation-now-peter-singer Learn more about Buffalo Exchange: https://buffaloexchange.com/ Watch Survivor's Remorse: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3231022/ Watch Master of None: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4635276/ Watch The Good Place: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4955642/ Watch Succession: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7660850/ Watch Watchmen: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7049682/ Watch Station Eleven: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10574236/ Watch Cord's Oscar speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEZz2dSXS0c Watch Leaving Las Vegas: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113627/ Watch Ocean's Eleven: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240772/ Learn more about Range by David Epstein: https://davidepstein.com/range/ Host: Dave Chang Guest: Cord Jefferson Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Dionte Mercado, Nikola Stanjevich, Samya McCoy, Michael Delgado Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave made a special gumbo recipe for a guest... but got a different guest than he bargained for, and one he knows very well. He and his new guest talk off the cuff about the differences between jambalaya and gumbo, discuss how New Orleans has the most distinct food culture of any U.S. city, and debate which city best represents the food of the South, all while acknowledging a lack of expertise. They finish with a quick atlas of where to eat in New Orleans. Watch 'Dinner Time Live': https://www.netflix.com/title/81748864 Learn more about Cochon: https://cochonrestaurant.com/ Learn more about Herbsaint: https://herbsaint.com/ Learn more about Cochon Butcher: https://cochonbutcher.com/ Learn more about Peche: https://www.pecherestaurant.com/ Learn more about Galatoire's: https://www.galatoires.com/ Learn more about Commander's Palace: https://www.commanderspalace.com/ Learn more about Willie Mae’s: https://williemaesnola.com/ Learn more about Domilise's: https://www.domilisespoboys.com/ Learn more about Dong Phuong Bakery: https://www.dpbakery.com/ Learn more about Bacchanal: https://www.bacchanalwine.com/ Learn more about Emeril's: https://emerilsrestaurant.com/ Host: Dave Chang Guest: Chris Ying Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Michael Berger, Dionte Mercado, Elizabeth Styles, Dan McCoy, Greg Scott Davis Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave turns a solo episode into a shabu-shabu meal with our pal Chris Ying. They talk about the beauty of dishes like shabu-shabu, whether they like fish balls, and how Dave makes a delicious sauce for the dish. The duo then talks about Dave's recent trip to San Francisco, Chef Corey Lee and his restaurants, and both the admiration and ire Corey causes in Dave... for being so dang good. Learn more about Haidilao: https://www.haidilao-inc.com/us Learn more about Benu: https://www.benusf.com/ Learn more about San Ho Won: https://www.sanhowon.com/ Learn more about The French Laundry: https://thomaskeller.com/tfl/ Learn more about Craft: https://www.craftrestaurant.com/ Learn more about Gramercy Tavern: https://www.gramercytavern.com/ Learn more about Per Se: https://thomaskeller.com/perseny/ Learn more about Mason & Dixon by Thomas Pynchon: https://amzn.to/46a8uMZ Host: Dave Chang Guest: Chris Ying Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Donald LoBianco, Elizabeth Styles, Lighting Dionte Mercado Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave has director and filmmaker David Ma in the studio, who is known for his amazing work with food on-screen. Dave makes an unusual pairing of delicious dishes for David: a breakfast burrito and clay pot rice. See if he can nail them both... or neither? The duo discusses how David Ma made the leap from advertising to filmmaking, as well as how he innovated his personal style of shooting food. They also compare notes on perfect imperfection, Japan, and craft services on film sets. Check out David Ma's work: https://davidmafilms.com/ Follow David Ma on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidwma/ Follow David Ma on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@davidwma Follow David Ma on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@dma052 Check out Food Films: https://davidmafilms.com/food-films Watch 'Chef's Table': https://www.netflix.com/title/80007945 Learn more about Shima: https://jpneazy.com/restaurants/157 Learn more about Shinji's Bar: https://shinjisbar.com/ Learn more about Sugita: https://guide.michelin.com/us/en/tokyo-region/tokyo/restaurant/sugita Learn more about Tokyo Banana: https://www.tokyobanana.jp/language/en/ Watch the movie 'The Godfather': https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068646/ Watch the movie 'The Taste of Things': https://www.imdb.com/title/tt19760052/ Watch the movie 'Chef': https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2883512/ Watch the movie 'Diner': https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083833/ Host: Dave Chang Guest: David Ma Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Michael Berger, Elizabeth Styles, Samya McCoy, Greg Scott Davis Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave makes a quick snack that you might see more and more often in the coming years: dried squid. He talks about the rising amount of cephalopods in the ocean, discusses the specific umami and texture of squid, and ponders whether it might be coming to more and more grocery store shelves near you. He also answers an Ask Dave about London eating and general dining strategy when on a short trip in a new place. Learn more about San Ho Won: https://www.sanhowon.com/ Learn more about St. JOHN: https://stjohnrestaurant.com/ Learn more about Trishna: http://trishnalondon.com/ Learn more about Gymkhana: https://gymkhanarestaurants.com/ Learn more about Ambassadors Clubhouse: https://ambassadorsclubhouse.com/newyork/ Learn more about Ganbara: https://www.ganbarajatetxea.com/presentation Learn more about Seirinkan: https://theseirinkan.com/ Learn more about Savoy: https://savoy-azabujyuban.com/en Host: Dave Chang Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado, Dan McCoy, Molly O'Keefe, Michael Berger Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave is joined by friend of the show and host of Recipe Club Chris Ying and producer (young) David Meyer. Dave serves a Chinese chicken salad and some leftover jangjorim. Then the trio dives into some real Inappropriate Dinner Conversations in a new game version that reveals a lot about the three contestants. Get a copy of Jacob Soboroff's book 'Firestorm': https://www.harpercollins.com/products/firestorm-jacob-soboroff?variant=43816964096034 Watch 'Chrissy & Dave Dine Out': https://www.imdb.com/title/tt29319236/ Learn more about Joan’s on Third: https://joansonthird.com/ Follow Little Meg: https://www.instagram.com/little_meg_siu_meg/?hl=en Learn more about the Chairman: https://www.thechairmangroup.com/ Check out 'The Original Kings of Comedy': https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0236388/ Host: Dave Chang Guest: Chris Ying Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Dan McCoy, Michael Berger, Elizabeth Styles Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave cooks jangjorim, a Korean braised dish usually served as a side, but that Dave thinks could be an entree and a star. He also discusses how to know when rice is properly washed, as well as the difference between mu radish and daikon (amongst other Korean and Japanese foods). Dave finishes the episode by answering an Ask Dave about who he would want as company for his dream last meal and his answer is...surprising. Learn more about The Sergeantsville Inn: https://www.sergeantsvilleinn.com/ Learn more about Park’s BBQ: https://parksbbq.com/ Learn more about Noodle Bar: https://www.momofuku.com/pages/noodle-bar Learn more about Baroo: https://www.baroolosangeles.com/ Learn more about Benu: https://www.benusf.com/ Learn more about Sun Nong Dan: https://sunnongdanusa.com/ Learn more about Ideas in food: https://ideasinfood.com/ Learn more about San Ho Won: https://www.sanhowon.com/ Learn more about Willie Mae’s: https://williemaesnola.com/ Host: Dave Chang Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Dan McCoy, Michael Berger, Elizabeth Styles Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave makes a delicious, two-ingredient dish that he hasn't had since he was a child: potato jeon. Along the way, he makes a second unusual potato dish that his grandmother loved, talks about both of his grandmothers, and reflects on the value we place on certain foods—and how much the value is shaped by our personal experiences. Dave closes with an Ask Dave about when servers don't write down your orders. Host: Dave Chang Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado, Dan McCoy, Molly O'Keefe, Michael Berger Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave is joined by the Podfather himself, the founder and CEO of The Ringer, Bill Simmons. Dave makes steaks that challenge Bill's wet-aged vs. dry-aged opinions, and then they discuss his "secret to basketball," which applies to much more than just sports—and explains Bill's unique ability to find and foster talent, as well as predict future trends. They finish with a discussion of the top five American chefs in history and a MOIF about whether or not a movie director can be considered great if they've never filmed food. P.S.: The Dave Chang Show is now on Netflix! Check out The Bill Simmons Podcast: https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/the-bill-simmons-podcast Check out The Rewatchables: https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/the-rewatchables Check out The Ringer: https://www.theringer.com/ Learn more about Antico Nuovo: https://www.anticonuovo-la.com/ Learn more about Craft: https://www.craftrestaurant.com/ Learn more about 'The French Laundry Cookbook': https://amzn.to/3NNz2NA Learn more about Café Boulud: https://cafeboulud.com/nyc/ Check out 'Dinner Time Live': https://www.netflix.com/title/81748864 Learn more about Chi Spacca: https://www.chispacca.com/ Learn more about Super Peach: https://www.momofuku.com/restaurants/super-peach Learn more about Primanti Bros.: https://primantibros.com/ Learn more about Philippe's: https://philippes.com/ Get a copy of 'The Book of Basketball': https://amzn.to/3NDi70e Learn more about the Brainrot app: https://thebrainrotapp.com/ Learn more about Bianco: https://www.pizzeriabianco.com/ Learn more about BCD Tofu House: https://www.bcdtofuhouse.com/ Read Bill's Streep column: https://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3965213 Learn more about Commander's Palace: https://www.commanderspalace.com/ Get Bill's favorite Momofuku sweet and spicy sauce: https://shop.momofuku.com/products/sweet-spicy-bbq-sauce?srsltid=AfmBOoqjxshHlzC47CjTyKZnkCzgkgGTscF5XkScOpgry3SpwHxN4vuu Learn more about Yang Chow: https://yangchow.com/ Check out Recipe Club: https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/recipe-club Check us out at Majordomo: https://www.majordomo.com/ Host: Dave Chang Guest: Bill Simmons Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Nikola Stanjevich, Dan McCoy, Michael Berger, Elizabeth Styles Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave is joined by Jacob Soboroff, MS Now senior correspondent and author of the book 'Firestorm.' Dave makes a lettuce cup dish that takes Jacob back to his past, and then they discuss the Los Angeles fires, which are the subject of Jacob's new book, as well as his personal experiences having grown up in the area. They finish with a MOIF comparing Los Angeles and New York in myriad ways. Get your copy of Firestorm by Jacob Soboroff: https://bookshop.org/p/books/firestorm-the-great-los-angeles-fires-and-america-s-new-age-of-disaster-jacob-soboroff/bd30f244fafba214 Check out Jacob Soboroff on social media: https://www.instagram.com/jacobsoboroff Get your copy of Separated by Jacob Soboroff: https://bookshop.org/p/books/separated-inside-an-american-tragedy-jacob-soboroff/392f1a291b04f998?ean=9780062992208&next=t Learn more about Why Tuesday?: https://whytuesday.org/ Learn more about the film 'Separated': https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33029968/ Learn more about Good Neighbor Bar: https://www.goodneighborbar.com/ Learn more about Watch Duty: https://www.watchduty.org/ Learn more about JPL: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ Learn more about Mr. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave makes tteokbokki, a classic and delicious Korean street food, three different ways. He talks about the genius of how the dish is served, how gnocchi may have opened a pathway to tteok acceptance in America, and his love for soft-chewy texture, with hopes it might someday be as beloved by American diners as it is by him. He also answers an Ask Dave about his "broke chef" days. Learn more about Craft: https://www.craftrestaurant.com/ Learn more about the Yomiuri Giants: https://www.giants.jp/en/ Learn more about Café Boulud: https://cafeboulud.com/nyc/ Host: Dave ChangMajordomo Media Producer: David MeyerSpotify Producer: Felipe GuilherminoAdditional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado, Dan McCoy, Molly O'Keefe, Michael BergerSound Engineer: Kevin CureghianEditor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dave makes one of his favorite dishes, one he is still trying to truly taste: a plain bowl of white rice. He talks about trying to train his palate to tune out all of the noise, with plain white rice serving as his guide. Dave also asks whether the Michelin Guide, the world, or even he himself is learning and listening enough to decree what is good and worth rewarding.Who would have thought we could get so deep from plain white rice? And that's exactly the point.Learn more about Elkano: https://www.restauranteelkano.com/Learn more about Sugita: https://www.theworlds50best.com/discovery/Establishments/Japan/Tokyo/Sugita.htmlRead 'Pachinko' by Min Jin Lee: https://bookshop.org/p/books/pachinko-national-book-award-finalist-min-jin-lee/d6ef3fcf56d5a91eLearn more about Zojirushi rice cookers: https://store.zojirushi.com/collections/rice-cookers?srsltid=AfmBOorxDmevQ4M8n5qP8GXobWRAC3ACAM1yAStY-uwY_T9Yovec3cPGLearn more about Cuckoo rice cookers: https://cuckooamerica.com/collections/rice-cookers?srsltid=AfmBOoqGfIxRhKwQYiq9Z5rf2Q1iRdcpLCPwL0a22pYKn4kjEAau92_ILearn more about Providence: https://providencela.com/Listen to Dave's Moth talk where he talks about Michelin stars: https://themoth.org/radio-hour/eaten-adventures-in-foodLearn more about Alinea: https://www.alinearestaurant.com/Learn more about Masa: https://www.masanyc.com/Learn more about the Inn at Little Washington: https://www.theinnatlittlewashington.com/Read 'The Perfectionist: Life and Death in Haute Cuisine': https://amzn.to/4jullPH Host: Dave Chang Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado Editor: Stefano Sanchez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices