Faith Driven Entrepreneur

Stewardship, Generosity, and the Finish Line: 40 Years of Faithful Business with Alan Barnhart What does it look like to build a company worth hundreds of millions of dollars—and then give it away? Join host Justin Forman as he sits down with Alan Barnhart, co-founder of Barnhart Crane & Rigging, for a conversation 40 years in the making. Alan shares the convictions forged early in marriage and business that led him and his wife Katherine to cap their lifestyle, transfer 99% of their company to a ministry trust, and give away over $21 million in a single year—all while insisting they've been the real beneficiaries. This episode is a masterclass in stewardship theology, collaborative giving, and the dangerous beauty of holding everything with an open hand. Key Topics: The two biblical convictions that shaped every financial decision Alan and Katherine ever made Why Alan set a lifestyle cap before his company ever took off—and how that decision protected his marriage, his family, and his faith How Barnhart Crane & Rigging went from 10 employees and $1.5M in revenue to 1,000+ employees and $400M+ in revenue—and what Alan attributes it to Why Alan believes giving away money strategically is harder than making it—and why collaboration is the only answer The moment Alan and his brother decided to give away 99% of a company worth hundreds of millions of dollars What Alan tells every entrepreneur who asks "What's the number?" The stewardship of your story: why Alan and Katherine kept quiet for 15 years—and what finally changed Notable Quotes: "God is the owner, you are the steward. Ask him what he wants you to do." — Alan Barnhart "We have been the beneficiaries of this, not the givers." — Alan Barnhart "It was right and good and legally brought us into a position where we already were spiritually." — Katherine Barnhart

Who Owns It? Ron Blue on Money, Stewardship, and the Question That Changes Everything Join host Justin Forman for a wide-ranging conversation with legendary financial author, teacher, and serial entrepreneur Ron Blue. With decades of experience building Kingdom-minded financial institutions—including what is now Blue Trust, one of the nation's premier faith-based wealth management firms—Ron unpacks the timeless questions every entrepreneur must answer: Who owns it? How much is enough? And what does faithful stewardship actually look like when you're building something meant to outlast you? From counseling a heart surgeon in a million-dollar home to sitting with a grocery CEO in a trailer park, Ron's stories reveal that true contentment has nothing to do with net worth—and everything to do with whose name is on the deed. Key Topics: The three questions that unlock faithful stewardship: Who owns it? How much is enough? What's the finish line? Why Ron built his firms to outlast him—and what he left on the table when God called him elsewhere The difference between "hard" and "impossible" when it comes to serving God and money How the faith-driven investing movement has matured the stewardship conversation Succession planning, family wealth, and why "if you love your children equally, you'll treat them uniquely" The serial entrepreneur's journey: from accounting firm to Blue Trust to mobilizing 4,000 advisors Notable Quotes: "God's word speaks to everything that we think money will give us. And that's why Jesus said, it's not hard to serve God and mammon, it's impossible." — Ron Blue "I didn't start any of them to make money. I started every one of them to accomplish a purpose or a vision." — Ron Blue "If God owns it, I hold it with an open hand. And God then is free to put in or take out whatever He wants." — Ron Blue

When Pastors and Entrepreneurs Unite: Multiplication, Movement, and Missional Imagination What happens when you put a pastor and an entrepreneur in a room with a whiteboard? According to Dave Ferguson, you get real solutions that push back darkness with light. Join host Justin Forman as he sits down with Dave Ferguson—co-founder of Community Christian Church in Chicago and the New Thing Network, which has helped plant 30,000 churches across 69 countries—to explore what it really takes to build a movement, why church planters and entrepreneurs are more alike than they think, and how "missional imagination" could be the missing ingredient in both the church and the marketplace. Dave shares hard-won lessons from decades of church planting, network building, and leadership development—including the leadership framework from his upcoming book Multiplier: How Healthy Leaders Create Lasting Impact. From the four Rs that fueled exponential growth to the RPMS dashboard that keeps leaders healthy over the long haul, this conversation is packed with frameworks entrepreneurs will immediately recognize and apply. Key Topics: Why church planters and entrepreneurs share the same wiring—and what that means for the Kingdom The "chaortic" principle: how clear vision + clear values unlock movement-level multiplication Dave's RPMS framework: the four gauges every leader must monitor daily (Relational, Physical, Mental, Spiritual) From addition to multiplication: the difference between making disciples and making disciple-makers The "all abilities church" story—what happens when a salesman with a passion gets a pastor's blessing 50 micro-expressions of church inside Amazon—and what it means for entrepreneurs in the marketplace Why "missional imagination" beats checklist Christianity every time Notable Quotes: "If you put a pastor and an entrepreneur in a room with a whiteboard and a facilitator, I can't imagine you're not going to come up with real solutions to go like, hey, here's how we push back that darkness with light." – Dave Ferguson "You reproduce who you are and what you do." – Dave Ferguson "If we aim for mission, you're going to get mission and you're probably going to get some of the deepest friends that you've ever had." – Justin Forman

Join host Justin Forman as he sits down with Elizabeth Ntege, Group CEO of NFT, in Kampala, Uganda, for an inspiring conversation about tackling one of the world's greatest challenges: unemployment. Elizabeth shares how her human resource management firm is addressing gainful unemployment across 12 African countries while creating environments where employees thrive according to Kingdom principles. This episode explores the harsh realities of job scarcity in Africa, where corruption has become normalized and desperate job seekers face exploitation. Elizabeth vulnerably discusses the painful decision to walk away from a $2 million contract rather than compromise their values, and how God used that sacrifice to create new opportunities for hundreds of workers. Discover how Elizabeth's Faith Driven Entrepreneur journey transformed her business philosophy from scarcity to abundance, leading to partnerships with organizations like MasterCard Foundation to create millions of jobs across the continent. Key Topics: Solving Africa's unemployment crisis: The 6-to-1 dependency ratio reality Why corruption thrives when there's no connection from "Sunday to Monday" The painful truth about job hunting: bribery, exploitation, and desperation Walking away from $2 million to protect Kingdom values Building sustainable employment through MasterCard Foundation partnership Creating community impact: From after-school programs to future employee pipelines Transforming businesses from secular to faith-driven enterprises Notable Quotes: "What are the real examples that show up that you're loving your employees? It's not just enough for you to pay their paycheck, but you need to create an environment in which they thrive, and then align their values with their companies, with their God given kingdom principles." - Elizabeth Ntege "Clearly, no connection from Sunday to Monday. Clearly, there is no connection between what is happening in the church and what and what happening in the marketplace." - Elizabeth Ntege "We were willing to walk away from a $2 million contract then compromise our values." - Elizabeth Ntege

The MyPad CEO: David Green on Building Legacy Beyond Business In this remarkable conversation, Hobby Lobby founder and CEO David Green sits down with host Justin Forman at the company's Oklahoma City headquarters to share the story behind one of America's most distinctive faith-driven businesses. From humble beginnings in a 600-square-foot store to leading an $8 billion enterprise with over 1,000 locations, David's journey reveals what happens when stewardship replaces ownership. At 84 years young, David still carries his trusty "MyPad" (a paper notepad) instead of a computer, operates as CEO, and shows no signs of slowing down. This episode explores the pivotal moments that shaped his understanding of true ownership, the Supreme Court case that tested his family's convictions, and the generational framework that ensures Hobby Lobby's mission extends far beyond profit. Key Topics: From pastor's son to retail pioneer: The journey from five-and-dime stores to Hobby Lobby The Supreme Court case that cost $1.2 million per day—and why they'd do it again Why closing on Sundays and rejecting Halloween cost millions but gained something greater The backyard prayer that changed everything: "What would you do if the Jones family owned it?" Building a family constitution: How 48 family members align around eternal values The danger of generational wealth and why no Green family member gets anything they don't earn Giving half of all earnings away: The mathematics of trying to "out-give God" Legacy planning with a thousand-year horizon Notable Quotes: "God gave you everything you need, any good thing that's in your life. God gave you. I need to be at a point where I died of myself and said no, no, no, this is not mine. I'm a steward." - David Green "If you think it's yours, then you're gonna guide it. But if you really feel like God has given this to you to be a steward of what belongs to him, I think that's a good starting spot." - David Green "We want to make sure we're tied into someone's life for eternity, because they're gonna be very comfortable if they don't know Jesus." - David Green

Behind the Dude Perfect Story: Parenting Entrepreneurs with Purpose What does it take to raise children who pursue Kingdom impact rather than fame and fortune? In this intimate conversation, Larry and Diann Cotton—parents of the Dude Perfect founders—pull back the curtain on the parenting journey behind one of the world's most successful entertainment brands. From backyard basketball trick shots to a $100-300 million partnership, the Cottons share how they recognized and nurtured their children's unique gifts while keeping them grounded in faith. Discover how they navigated the tension between encouraging creativity and maintaining wisdom, celebrated individuality rather than comparison, and prayed for contentment over riches. This episode offers profound insights for any parent raising entrepreneurial kids, revealing how to be a cheerleader without being a rescuer, how to recognize God's unique story for each child, and why the greatest investment isn't in their success—but in their soul. Key Topics: Recognizing and nurturing each child's unique gifts and wiring from elementary school Why comparison kills creativity: Raising twins without competition The pivotal moment when a backyard video became a viral sensation on Good Morning America Parenting through the loneliness and uncertainty of entrepreneurship Praying Proverbs 30: "Neither poverty nor riches" for children experiencing success The arrow principle: Training children according to their bent and releasing them to fly Why ministry in the marketplace is equally as important as vocational ministry Helping kids own their faith publicly through testimony and platform Notable Quotes: "Train up a child in the way that they should go, and when they're old, they won't depart from it. That means according to their bent—you start seeing the way this child is wired and reinforce that." - Larry Cotton "God is writing their unique story. As a parent, just come along and be in it with them—encourage them, cheer them on, no matter what we think about it." - Diann Cotton "If you're doing it to gain wealth, fame, or attention, those things will fall apart at some point. There needs to be a higher and more long-term purpose behind it." - Larry Cotton

From Victory Lane to Life's True Finish Line: NASCAR Legend Carl Edwards on Fame, Family, and Finding God Join host John Coleman for an intimate conversation with NASCAR Hall of Famer Carl Edwards, recorded at the Main Street Summit in Carl's hometown of Columbia, Missouri. Carl shares his remarkable journey from sweeping floors at a NASCAR truck team to becoming one of the sport's most celebrated drivers—and why he walked away from it all at the height of his career. This episode goes beyond the back flips and victory celebrations to explore the deeper questions of identity, purpose, and what it means to truly succeed. Carl vulnerably discusses the intoxication of fame, the moment he realized he'd built his life on sand, and the divine intervention that led him to faith through an unexpected encounter on a mountaintop. From racing with legends like Mark Martin and Jimmy Johnson to the life-changing phone call that made him rethink everything, Carl's story is a masterclass in knowing when to accelerate—and when to walk away. Key Topics: Breaking into NASCAR: The entrepreneurial hustle from dirt tracks to the Cup Series The dark side of fame: When public image becomes an idol Welcome to the league: Racing against—and learning from—the sport's greatest drivers The retirement decision: Walking away from millions to prioritize family and faith Identity crisis: What happens when you lose the thing that defined you Finding God on a mountaintop: How a dystopian book club led to a Damascus road moment Raising a son who wants to race: Breaking generational patterns while honoring passion Stewarding resources: Wrestling with scarcity mindset and learning radical generosity Notable Quotes: "I had actually wet myself completely just because I was completely shaken by what I'd experienced." - Carl Edwards (on his conversion dream) "I'm gonna keep racing for another 10 years. I'ma hit my head another 25 times. 30 years from now, I'll be on the other end of this phone. My son will be sitting on the stairs. I don't know my kids." - Carl Edwards "If you haven't seen God walking beside you your whole life, you're blind." - Stephen Garber to Carl Edwards

From $10 to 1 Billion Prayers: How Hallow Sparked a Prayer Revolution Join host Justin Forman for an unforgettable conversation with Alex Jones, CEO and co-founder of Hallow, the world's #1 Catholic prayer and meditation app. Starting with just $10 in a bank account, Alex and his team have facilitated over one billion minutes of prayer and reached 27.5 million downloads—all while maintaining a steadfast focus on authentic faith over business metrics. Alex shares his raw journey from falling away from faith in college to encountering Jesus through contemplative prayer, and how a heartbreaking note from his aunt—who lost her son—convinced him that even if just one more person found hope through Hallow, it would be worth dedicating his life to. This episode explores the intersection of technology and spirituality, the courage to spend everything on a Super Bowl commercial, and why prayer isn't therapy—it's a relationship with an invisible God who transforms everything. Key Topics: The miraculous growth from beta app to #1 in the App Store during Lent Why prayer is a relationship with God, not a self-help practice Partnering with Mark Wahlberg, Jonathan Roumie, and Chris Pratt authentically The controversial Super Bowl commercial that beat Temu's $1.5B ad budget Building with radical surrender: "Every good thing at Hallow has been me grasping tightly, then letting go and God doing it" Why excellence matters in faith-based technology Witnessing God save lives through prayer: from addiction recovery to suicide prevention Working with investors like Goodwater Capital who integrate faith and business Notable Quotes: "There is a crazy belief that I think there's an invisible dude here and I talk to and listen to him every day, all day, and especially in times of silence." - Alex Jones "If we're all praying, if we are all as close to the Lord as you can be, like if we're all saints—that's the game." - Alex Jones "Prayer is not a therapy thing. It's not a self-help thing. It's not talking to yourself. It's a relationship you have." - Alex Jones

Redefining Wealth: Beyond the Financial Scoreboard with Sahil Bloom Join host Justin Forman for a transformative conversation with Sahil Bloom, content creator, investor, and author of The Five Types of Wealth. In an era where society increasingly questions traditional definitions of success, Sahil offers a framework that resonates across faith lines and cultural boundaries—showing entrepreneurs how to build truly wealthy lives beyond just financial metrics. From his own journey of chasing external validation through career achievement to discovering a more holistic definition of success, Sahil shares the pivotal moment that changed everything: realizing he would only see his aging parents 15 more times. This conversation explores how ambition channeled toward service creates fulfillment, why seasons of imbalance are necessary for building, and how the questions we avoid hold the answers we seek. Key Topics: The five types of wealth: time, social, mental, physical, and financial Why money should be the byproduct, not the goal, of entrepreneurship The "why" question that children ask and entrepreneurs must reclaim Defining "enough" through visualization of your ideal Tuesday COVID as society's forced zoom-out moment on wealth and success Truth-tellers in your life: How to cultivate and cherish them Seasons of unbalance that unlock seasons of balance The Heaven's Reward Fallacy and learning to work without validation Notable Quotes: "You're going to see your parents 15 more times before they're gone. That was the moment that changed everything." - Sahil Bloom "A gold medal is a wonderful thing, but if you're not enough without it, you're never going to be enough with it." - Sahil Bloom "The answers you seek in life are found in the questions that you avoid." - Sahil Bloom

Join host Justin Forman as he sits down with Steve Stenstrom, President of Pro Athletes Outreach (PAO), for a compelling conversation about the explosive intersection of faith and sports. After 55 years of faithful discipleship in the locker room, PAO is witnessing an unprecedented moment where athletes are boldly proclaiming Christ on the world's biggest stages—and the data reveals why this matters more than you might think. From a women's cricket semi-final watched by 500 million people to NFL press conferences, athletes are using their platforms to declare what matters most. Steve shares why he believes pro sports represents "the greatest ROI potential on the planet" for gospel impact, reveals shocking data about unreached athletes globally, and unpacks how the 2026 World Cup and 2028 Olympics present a once-in-a-generation opportunity for faith-driven entrepreneurs and ministry leaders to collaborate.

Join host Justin Forman with Mark Grunden and Josh Seabaugh for a pivotal conversation about the unprecedented opportunity emerging at the intersection of church and entrepreneurship. Recorded during Faith Driven Entrepreneur's staff retreat in Charleston, this episode unpacks groundbreaking Barna research revealing that society trusts entrepreneurs twice as much as pastors—and why this isn't a threat, but rather the church's greatest partnership opportunity. Mark brings unique insight from seven years at Saddleback Church pioneering marketplace ministry, while Josh shares lessons from a decade as a campus pastor before joining FDE full-time. Together, they reveal why starting with entrepreneurs—rather than broad "faith and work" initiatives—creates sustainable momentum that cascades throughout entire congregations and communities. Key Topics: Barna research reveals entrepreneurs are trusted 2X more than pastors (and 9X more than politicians) Why starting with "everyone who works" causes entrepreneurs to leave the room The difference between convening for community vs. convening for mission Breaking free from the "parking jacket and coffee" trap for high-capacity leaders Why churches need entrepreneurs more than entrepreneurs need the church How 250 churches are becoming hubs for faith-driven entrepreneurs in their cities The simple 8-week pathway any church can start this week (no cost, no catch) Notable Quotes: "Entrepreneurs are trusted two times more than pastors. I don't know if the influence of pastors is actually waning, but I think it's more that the impact of entrepreneurs are actually increasing because people are tired of talk in our society. They're looking for people of action." - Mark Grunden "If you get a pastor alone, he's intimidated by the entrepreneur. If you get an entrepreneur alone, he's intimidating by the pastor, which is why I'm excited that we can be the bridge." - Josh Seabaugh "If you start with everybody, you'll never get the entrepreneur. But if you start with the entrepreneur, everybody will follow." - Mark Grunden

Join host Justin Forman as he sits down with Mark Vroegop, President of The Gospel Coalition, for a timely conversation about the growing but often disconnected faith and work movement. Mark brings a rare dual perspective—thirty years of pastoral ministry combined with deep understanding of entrepreneurial leadership—to address why two of society's most driven groups struggle to connect. This episode tackles the practical barriers keeping pastors and entrepreneurs apart, explores how lament and waiting can transform both business loss and leadership pressure, and offers concrete steps for churches ready to empower their entrepreneurial members beyond "parking vests and coffee." Mark vulnerably shares from his own journey through grief and gaps, providing a biblical framework for navigating the uncertainty that defines both pastoral and entrepreneurial life. This episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast was filmed at the Main Street Summit, the perfect gathering for ambitious Christian entrepreneurs, executives, and business leaders seeking to deepen the integration of their faith and work. Learn more and sign up to be notified for Main Street Summit 2026: www.mainstreetsummit.com Key Topics: Why pastors and entrepreneurs miss each other despite obvious synergies The demanding reality of pastoral ministry most business leaders never see How business leaders can provide invaluable insight churches desperately need Lament as a language for processing business failure, betrayal, and loss Waiting on the Lord: Learning to lead through gaps and uncertainty Building strategic plans that include space for divine intervention Practical pathways for pastors and entrepreneurs to bridge the divide Notable Quotes: "How can we help business leaders know how to be good churchmen, if you will? And from my seat as a person who's in pastoral ministry for thirty years, how can pastors do a better job of serving business leaders, especially entrepreneurs?" - Mark Vroegop "Lament is a prayer in pain that leads to trust." - Mark Vroegop "Waiting on the Lord is learning to live on what I know to be true about God when I don't know what's true about my life." - Mark Vroegop

Solving Big Problems Together: Uganda's Four-Pillar Model for Community Transformation Join host Justin Forman in conversation with Andrew DeVaney, founder of As One Africa, for an inspiring discussion about what it takes to solve interconnected problems in rural Uganda. From his friendship with a rural educator to building a four-pronged model serving 50,000 patients, 4,000 students, and 5,000 farmers annually, Andrew shares how empowering Ugandans to solve Ugandan problems creates sustainable transformation. This episode explores the power of earned revenue models over aid dependency, the importance of treating beneficiaries as customers, and why time in the game matters more than quick wins. Discover how collaboration, storytelling, and Kingdom partnership can address some of the world's most pressing challenges. Key Topics: Uganda's demographic advantage: 80% under 30, 50% under 18 The four-pillar model: schools, health centers, farms, and businesses working together Why "catching a thief requires sending a thief" - the power of local problem-solvers Earned revenue vs. aid dependency: treating beneficiaries as customers with voice How competition and feedback loops drive innovation and dignity The interconnectivity of rural poverty: education, healthcare, agriculture, and employment Building sustainable models that don't depend on foreign funding Praxis lessons: balancing venture building with soul care for long-term impact Notable Quotes: "The young people that are coming up, they're now being educated, they're going to school, they desire a different opportunity within the country that they live in, and expect better from their leaders." - Andrew DeVaney "Ugandans empowering Ugandans. This is something that there's this self perpetuating feedback loop that pushes Ugandans to want to do more." - Andrew DeVaney "Time in the game is going to be such a big deal. For entrepreneurs, for investors, for problem solvers." - Andrew DeVaney

Join host Justin Forman for a milestone conversation with Bill Yeargin, CEO of Correct Craft, as they celebrate the company's 100th anniversary. From refusing bribes that led to bankruptcy, to refusing to work Sundays during WWII, to growing from a $39 million company facing the Great Recession to surpassing $1 billion—this is a masterclass in values-driven leadership that stands the test of time. Bill shares the dramatic "God moments" that convinced him to become the fifth CEO in five years at a broken company, and how a controversial service trip to Mexico became the turning point that saved the culture. Discover why Correct Craft sends employees around the world on company-funded mission trips, how they navigate tough stewardship decisions while maintaining strong faith values, and what it takes to build for the next hundred years. Key Topics: The WWII story: Building 420 boats in 23 days without working Sundays Spending 20 years of profits to repay legally discharged bankruptcy debts Two unmistakable "God signs" that led Bill to Orlando: a house sale and a tutor's call Why the Mexico service trip (that everyone opposed) saved the company Growing from $39M to over $1 billion through culture and strategic planning The Culture Pyramid: Building Boats to the Glory of God, Making Life Better Balancing stewardship excellence with faith values in difficult decisions Global expansion to 70 countries—including surprising markets like Namibia Vertical and horizontal acquisition strategy without outside capital Making decisions for the next 25 years, not just short-term wins Notable Quotes: "I believe we're alive today as a company because of that first trip." - Bill Yeargin "We're not just trying to help the people that we're going to serve, we're trying to help our own team too. We've seen so many lives change on our own team over the years." - Bill Yeargin "You don't make it a hundred years by being over on God's side. You gotta do the things we're supposed to do. Trust God, honor him. Let him bless us." - Bill Yeargin

Join host Justin Forman in Nairobi, Kenya, as he sits down with Jean-Paul Nageri, co-founder of KaFresh, for an extraordinary conversation about finding divine solutions hidden in plain sight. When Jean-Paul watched his father's banana harvest spoil while waiting for traders, he didn't just see a problem—he saw a calling. What followed was a journey of "God Engineering" that led to a breakthrough preserving produce 10x longer using only natural plant oils. This episode explores how entrepreneurs can look to creation itself for answers to massive problems, why cold storage isn't always the answer for Africa, and how one biotech solution is transforming food security for millions. From Genesis 1:29 inspiration to cutting-edge agricultural innovation, this conversation reveals how faith, science, and entrepreneurship combine to solve real-world challenges. Key Topics: How watching his father lose 50% of harvests to spoilage launched an entrepreneurial journey The "God Engineering" discovery: unlocking preservation secrets from orange peels Why expensive Western solutions (cold storage) don't work for African farmers KaFresh breakthrough: Extending tomato shelf life from 1 week to 3+ months at room temperature The $1 trillion problem: Sub-Saharan Africa loses 37% of food production to post-harvest spoilage From synthetic chemicals to natural plant oils: reversing the globalization of food preservation How monks in 1800s monasteries pioneered natural food coating techniques Building an agricultural biotech platform: From preservation to accelerated seed germination Making insects "invisible" to produce instead of killing them with pesticides Uganda's 2 million smallholder farmers and the mindset shift that changes everything Notable Quotes: "I like to use the term God Engineering. He literally leaves clues, but you have to have that discernment to be able to see the clues." - Jean-Paul Nageri "Why me, why me, why not some other big company? But that's God's plan. He normally takes the underdogs." - Jean-Paul Nageri "Anything that is good for you should be easy to pronounce." - Jean-Paul Nageri

Beyond the Bumper Sticker: What It Really Means When God Owns Your Business Join host Justin Forman as he sits down with Bertie Lourens, founder of a waste management company that has transformed the lives of 2,300 people across South Africa. Bertie shares his extraordinary journey from near bankruptcy to transferring majority ownership of his company to God—not as a symbolic gesture, but as a legally binding decision that fundamentally changed how he runs his business. This episode moves beyond the bumper sticker phrase "God owns my business" to explore what actually happens when you transfer 51% of shares to a non-profit entity representing God as your majority shareholder. Bertie vulnerably shares how pride nearly destroyed everything, how two miracles gave his business a second chance, and why the most freeing decision he ever made was giving up control. Key Topics: From pride to bankruptcy: How success became Bertie's greatest spiritual danger The radical obedience of legally transferring majority ownership to God Setting up Neko Capital: Making God a legal shareholder through proper structure How boardroom questions change when asking "What does our Shareholder want?" The Elon Musk thought experiment: Understanding the value proposition of divine partnership Why stewardship "with Him" is fundamentally different than "for Him" Raising children without entitlement when God owns the family business Breaking free from the founder's burden: The unexpected freedom of surrender Notable Quotes: "Whatever I do for Jesus is wrong. Whatever I do with him is right. That just changed my world." - Bertie Lourens "I have never in my life been more free than after the moment when I transferred those shares." - Bertie Lourens "The comfort of the security—the financial security that I have, that I can see in my future because of this—is what entraps us." - Bertie Lourens

Join host Justin Forman in Boulder, Colorado, for a powerful conversation with Tim Tebow and Wes Lyons at the Clapham gathering—where 150 entrepreneurs are uniting to disrupt one of the world's darkest evils: human trafficking. This episode explores how for-profit ventures, nonprofit organizations, and churches can collaborate to create an unprecedented counter-trafficking industry worth billions. Tim shares the heartbreaking story that launched his anti-trafficking work: his father's decision to purchase the freedom of four girls at an underground pastor's conference. Wes reveals how entrepreneurs are building sustainable businesses that fight trafficking—from training frontline healthcare workers to creating digital safety for children—proving that mission and profit can powerfully align. Discover why "looking again" at those society overlooks is essential to stopping traffickers, how apathy is the real enemy, and why living an extreme life for Christ matters more than living a balanced one. Key Topics: The origin story: How Tim Tebow's father rescued four girls and launched a movement Understanding trafficking vs. sexual exploitation: Different motives, different solutions Building the counter-trafficking industry: How for-profit businesses are seeding a $5B market by 2030 The Clapham model: Learning from William Wilberforce's dense network approach Healthcare's hidden opportunity: 90% of trafficking victims interact with medical professionals 15-18 times before identification Why being made in God's image means "image being," not "image bearer" The case against living a balanced life—and for living an extreme one Eagle Venture Fund's strategy: Treating counter-trafficking like counter-cybersecurity Notable Quotes: "My dad is one of my biggest heroes and role models because he's not someone that can look the other way and do nothing." - Tim Tebow "You can be for profit and for purpose and for people. Like that can happen." - Tim Tebow "People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy. We have to be passionate believers, passionate about the cause of Christ, passionate about hurting people, not apathetic people that someone else is going to do it." - Tim Tebow "Traffickers target the people that the church gave up seeing." - Justin Forman

At the Gutenberg Moment: How AI is Reshaping Faith, Technology, and Kingdom Impact Join host Justin Forman for a pivotal conversation with Pat Gelsinger in Boulder, Colorado, exploring how faith-driven leaders can steward the most transformative technology cycle of the modern era. From his 45 uninterrupted years in tech to his transition into investing and leading Gloo, Pat shares profound insights on navigating seasons of life, building the faith technology platform, and positioning the church to ride—not watch—the AI wave. This episode tackles critical questions about fragmentation in the faith ecosystem, the power of unified action, and why showing up "bigger" matters for Kingdom influence. Pat unpacks Gloo's mission to make AI suitable and trustworthy for the faith community, the surprising results of flourishing AI benchmarks, and his audacious vision: educating every child on the planet within the next 10-15 years. Key Topics: The painful yet purposeful transition from 45 years at Intel to a new season of investing and impact Why next-generation entrepreneurs are "spiritual but not religious" and what that means for business Gloo's mission: Building the faith technology platform at a Gutenberg moment How AI can accelerate mission—from conquering 7,000 languages to custom education for every child The flourishing AI benchmarks: Measuring models against human flourishing (and why DeepSeek leads) Why the church is the "largest fragmented industry on planet Earth" and how to show up bigger Transforming the Bay with Christ (TBC): 900 churches united in one of America's least churched regions The critical shift from "for Christ" to "with Christ" in transformation work Notable Quotes: "We're at a Gutenberg moment. Will we the church be captivated, accelerated, mission empowered by AI? Or will we sit on the outside watching?" - Pat Gelsinger "Next-generation entrepreneurs—they're not religious, but they're spiritual. There's a deeper spiritual expectation and they really care about the soul implications of business success." - Pat Gelsinger "If we educate the 300 million children living in poverty today, I think I will have done more to eliminate poverty than any other single thing you could do—and I believe we can do that in the next decade." - Pat Gelsinger

From Dallas Uber Rides to Uganda Motorcycles: How One Partnership Is Transforming African Mobility Join host Henry Kaestner as he sits down with Jared Fulks, co-founder of PureFlow, for an inspiring conversation about building Kingdom businesses in emerging markets. From four consecutive Uber drivers from different African countries in Dallas to empowering thousands of motorcycle taxi drivers in Uganda, this episode reveals how God orchestrates divine appointments in everyday moments and business ventures alike. Discover how PureFlow started with just six motorcycles and $6,000 in a small Ugandan town and has grown into a hospitality-focused finance company serving thousands. Jared shares powerful lessons about the value of partnership born from prayer, the unexpected advantages of tier-two and tier-three cities, and why sometimes the best place to test a business idea isn't Silicon Valley—it's Africa. Key Topics: Divine appointments: Four African Uber drivers in 24 hours and what they reveal about staying spiritually present Starting with six bikes: How Colin emptied his savings and received 250 applications in 24 hours Partnership as a "God idea": Why prayer preceded partnership and the power of detailed operating agreements Tier-two and tier-three city advantages: Building trust and community away from capital cities Hospitality over finance: Reframing PureFlow as a hospitality business that creates places people want to return to Low-cost probes in Africa: Testing 100 ideas with a fraction of what it costs in the U.S. Living remotely while building locally: Managing a Uganda-based business from Atlanta through intentional engagement The football club strategy: Winning tournaments as customer acquisition and brand building Pressing the gas: Why not to subsidize yourself with philanthropy too soon Notable Quotes: "Partnership is not a good idea. It's a God idea. It is woven into the fabric of how we were created. Nobody would argue that we're created for people. And so why would we assume any different?" - Jared Fulks "If the business collapsed tomorrow, and it all just failed, which I hope it doesn't, I don't think it will. But if it did, the thing that I would take away most would be not the amazing people we've been able to hire, the thousands and thousands of people we serve, but it truly is the friendship and the brotherhood that I have with him." - Jared Fulks "Start with where you are, with what you have... He lost $6,000. Like to most people listening to this podcast, it's not gonna kill you to lose $6,000." - Jared Fulks

Beyond Harps and Clouds: Rethinking Heaven, Work, and Eternity Join host Justin Forman and author Jordan Raynor in Dallas for a paradigm-shifting conversation about what heaven actually looks like—and why it matters for your business today. Jordan unpacks how cultural half-truths about eternity rob entrepreneurs of purpose in the present and hope for the future, revealing a biblical vision of the new earth that changes everything. Discover why most Christians spend more time planning vacations than thinking about eternity, how redemptive Excel spreadsheets can be more heavenly than harps, and why understanding our eternal work with Christ unlocks joy and freedom in business right now. Key Topics: Half-truths about heaven that rob entrepreneurs of purpose and hope Why "matter doesn't matter" is terrible theology (and worse business philosophy) The new earth: God's promise to make earth our perfect and permanent home How work in eternity transforms how we work today Finding freedom from hurry by understanding eternity is "now in session" The "someday maybe / new earth" folder: Making peace with unfinished symphonies Why Isaiah 65 and Revelation 21-22 should excite every entrepreneur Notable Quotes: "Most Christian entrepreneurs I know are not excited about ideas of harps and clouds, which frankly scares the crap out of most people, Christians included." - Jordan Raynor "If our ultimate reality is working with King Jesus on earth, guess what? Eternity is now in session." - Jordan Raynor "Most Christians I know have spent more time thinking about a single week-long vacation than they have thought about the nature of eternity." - Jordan Raynor