Things we learn in this episode: Kenji has a not-so-secret secret ingredient for can’t-miss pie crust, Deb is not allowed at Thanksgiving without her pie, the birthplace of Kenji’s love of junk food, the ideal baking apple, why American apple pie reigns supreme. Recipes mentioned: Apple Pie ( Smitten Kitchen ) Even More Perfect Apple Pie ( Smitten Kitchen ) Gooey Apple Pie ( Serious Eats ) Perfect Apple Pie ( Serious Eats ) Radiotopia's fall fundraiser is happening now! Visit radiotopia.fm/donate.