In his newly-released book Learning Environment, Jared Fox writes, “I found that incorporating my passion for the natural world into the classroom was always worthwhile.” This is fitting, as the book explores the many ways that the classroom environment itself can be reimagined—including beyond the physical walls of the classroom!—and in doing so reminds us how necessary it is to pursue a “passion-driven pedagogy” as teachers. In today’s conversation, Jared and Marcus go back and forth about a variety of topics: the best Magic School bus book; Jared’s early experiences exploring outside his physical classroom and what he learned in those explorations; how to make interdisciplinary learning happen tangibly; and even a discussion about where AI might fit into all of this. Email us here with feedback or any other questions as well: thebrokencopier@substack.com. Thanks for listening (and tell your friends)! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thebrokencopier.substack.com