Your favorite clinical psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, continue to sound the alarm about the judiciary while Trump is caught on camera stealing a soccer medal. Laurie Winer, journalist and historian, returns to talk about the dangerous encroachment of authoritarianism and its resemblance to Germany in the 1930s. Be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts: Our site Subscribe on iTunes Subscribe on Spotify Subscribe on Amazon Music Subscribe on iHeartRadio Welcome to the latest episode of Shrinking Trump, arriving at a pivotal moment when courtroom drama and raw political theater collide. As Trump juggles mounting legal battles, his influence shows no sign of waning—yet fissures are beginning to fracture the MAGA façade. Gartner and Siegel open by tracing Trump’s malignant narcissism: the unquenchable thirst for admiration, the cruelty toward anyone who dares question him, the fantasy of unchallenged power. But while his base rallies, his public stumbles multiply. From verbal gaffes to unsteady on-camera moments, the signs of cognitive decline are impossible to ignore. That toxic mix—rising clout paired with slipping acuity—is, Siegel warns, a worst-case scenario for American democracy. Guest expert Laurie Winer draws chilling parallels to Mussolini and Hitler, showing how fear-mongering rhetoric and scapegoating minorities paved the way for totalitarian rule. Her historical lens makes one truth inescapable: democracy survives only so long as citizens remain vigilant. The conversation then shifts to the courts, where every ruling has become a brick in Trump’s path to impunity. Judges have blocked his overreach at the International Criminal Court, rebuffed his bids to curb Pentagon research, and even tossed out his lawsuit against Bob Woodward. Each decision recalibrates the balance of power—sometimes in his favor, sometimes as a rebuke, but always underscoring the stakes. Next comes the Epstein entanglement—a topic no MAGA mouthpiece can avoid. Through interviews, archival clips, and whistleblower testimony, Gartner and Siegel unravel the web of denials and cover-ups. Why do so many Republican leaders keep defending a man tied to the worst allegations? The answer lies in the toxic alliance of loyalty and fear. At every turn, Trump’s compulsive dishonesty assaults democratic trust. Gartner calls it a strategic assault on shared reality, an effort to fracture institutions by turning facts into negotiable commodities. When lies become normalized, watchdogs lose their bite and accountability slips through the cracks. Shrinking Trump offers more than analysis—it’s a call to intellectual arms. By mapping Trump’s mental landscape, exposing his methods, and spotlighting his enablers, this episode equips listeners to recognize authoritarian drift before it’s too late. Catch Shrinking Trump on your preferred streaming platform. Understanding the psychology behind the politics is the first step toward defending democracy—and reminding those in power that they answer to the people, not the other way around. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices