This interview was originally published on July 27, 2015, as HTE 107: Understanding the Math of Success | Guy Kawasaki. This episode almost didn't get published. Jon Nastor and Guy Kawasaki get a little bit antagonistic with each other at one point in the conversation, so it was a bit off-putting at first. But this takes the conversation into a new, unexpected, and deeper place. --- My guest today popularized secular evangelism in 1983 when he worked with the Macintosh Division of Apple. He is currently the chief evangelist of Canva, an online and easy to use graphic design platform. He is also the author of thirteen books including. Art of the Start 2.0 and Enchantment. His books are used by some of the finest academic institutions and have been New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers. My guest gives over fifty keynote speeches a year on topics such as innovation, enchantment, social media, evangelism, and entrepreneurship. His clients include Apple, Nike, Audi, Google, and Microsoft. Now, let's hack.... Guy Kawasaki. In this 27-minute episode Guy Kawasaki and I discuss: The benefits of working harder than everybody else Never sticking with just one company Being young and underpaid, old and overpaid How and why to adopt a growth mindset The Show Notes Guy Kawasaki Website Mindset: The new psychology of success Guy on Twitter Jon on Twitter Exclusive Sponsor: Freshbooks - Grab your 30-day free trial