Formal verification already consumes years of human effort. In this episode, Lukas Biewald talks with Carina Hong, Founder & CEO of Axiom, about why verification is becoming the real bottleneck in high stakes AI systems. They discuss how Axiom uses AI to take on the tedious checking that stretches verification cycles across years, starting with formal mathematics and extending to hardware and software. Carina also explains why Axiom’s approach to auto-formalization mirrors spec driven models like Kiro from AWS. Connect with us here: Carina Hong: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carina-hong/ Axiom: https://www.linkedin.com/company/axiommath/ Lukas Biewald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lbiewald/ Weights & Biases: https://www.linkedin.com/company/wandb/