Liz Carlisle is an associate professor in the environmental studies program at UC Santa Barbara, Aubrey Streit Krug is the director of the Perennial Cultures Lab at the Land Institute, and Leah Penniman is an acclaimed activist and farmer who co-founded Soul Fire Farm in Grafton, New York. The three joined Kate and Mark to talk about why perennial foods should be seriously considered as part of the solution to the climate crisis; what real support for perennial agriculture would look like; and the changes they've seen in the young farming community in the past 30 years. Read an excerpt of Liz and Aubrey's new book (featuring an essay by Leah), Living Roots: The Promise of Perennial Foods, on the Bittman Project: https://bittmanproject.com/living-roots/ Follow Leah on Instagram @leahpenniman and @soulfirefarm. Subscribe to Food with Mark Bittman on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you like to listen, and please help us grow by leaving us a 5 star review on Apple Podcasts. Follow Mark on Twitter at @bittman, and on Facebook and Instagram at @markbittman. Want more food content? Hosted on Acast.