In this episode, host Louis De Jaeger speaks with Pippa Chapman, RHS-trained gardener and permaculture designer, about her journey from conventional, manicured gardens to wild, productive food forests. Pippa explains how permaculture gardens can stay resilient in drought, what it’s like to design forest gardens on private estates, and how awards and recognition have helped her share regenerative ideas more widely. She also talks about balancing beauty, productivity, play, and family life in real gardens – and how a hopeful vision, plus a willingness to learn from mistakes, can transform both landscapes and communities.