In this episode, I talk with clinical psychologist Dr. Noelle Santorelli about mean mom culture, relational aggression, and why adult friendships can feel confusing and painful without looking overtly “mean.” We unpack the difference between exclusion and simply not being a fit, how covert behavior shows up in friend groups and parenting circles, and why forced inclusion often backfires—especially for kids. We also talk about social media, group texts, and how to pause and regulate before reacting when friendship dynamics get messy. Special thank you, as always, to my assistant producer, Rebekah Jacobs!