In this episode, we sit down with Dana R. Fisher, and discuss the social change we need to address the climate crisis. In this conversation, Tom Janssen, Charlie Collier and Dana R. Fisher discuss the role of activism in addressing the climate crisis, based on her new book "Saving ourselves: From climate shocks to climate action". We talk about the main obstacles for drastic change — fossil fuel interests — and how both individual actions and systemic change are needed to get there. If not available in your country, you can also get it here: https://danarfisher.com/pre-order-book/ More of Dana's resources: https://danarfisher.com/american-resistance/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@creatorsforclimate Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/creatorsforclimate Takeaways The fossil fuel interests are the main obstacles for drastic change in addressing the climate crisis. Both individual actions and systemic change are necessary to combat climate change. Collective action and demanding change from elected officials and market actors are crucial for driving systemic change. There is a debate about what is considered acceptable in terms of more radical activism. The concept of the AnthroShift provides a framework for understanding social change around the environment. Radical tactics, such as nonviolent civil disobedience, are needed to draw attention to the climate crisis and push for social change. Activists use performative acts of protest to shock the public and gain media attention, even if the actions themselves are debated. These radical tactics can draw support from moderate factions of the movement and expand the conversation around climate change. Building community and solidarity is crucial for effective activism, and individuals can get involved in their local communities through various avenues, such as politics, schools, and community gardens. Resilience, both environmental and social, is essential in preparing for and recovering from climate shocks. Storytelling plays a vital role in raising awareness, combating misinformation, and highlighting the efforts of activists and organizations working towards climate action.