In this episode, two completely different worlds collide. Vince Gilligan (Pluribus, Breaking Bad) and Jason Connell (Ghost of Yōtei) discuss how stories are built, shaped, and told through their games & TV shows. They talk about drawing inspiration across genres and the trust that comes from working with the same collaborators year after year. You won't want to miss this inside look at how this fall's biggest stories are brought to life. Chapters: 00:00:00 Introductions 00:02:16 For Vince, Character First or World First? 00:05:40 For Jason, Character First or World First? 00:08:24 Testing – Audience and Self 00:14:30 Jason Kills His Darlings 00:18:07 Vince Kills His Darlings 00:20:50 Jason's Inspirations 00:21:59 Scale and Interactivity in Ghost of Yotei 00:24:55 Jason's Beginnings 00:27:28 Using MoCap Artistically 00:28:41 Western and Samurai Influences 00:30:12 Vince and ABQ 00:33:35 Vince's Showrunning Philosophy 00:36:52 The Value in Long-Term Collaboration 00:38:15 The Biome Team and Specialization 00:40:31 Akira Kurosawa 00:41:58 Approaches to Violence 00:47:07 Vince and Theme 00:49:25 The Work Belongs to the Audience Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices