John Smid recounts how he came to run a well-known conversion therapy clinic. (Part 2 of 3) Conversations with People Who Hate Me The Book is out now! Credits: Dylan Marron (creator, producer, host), Vincent Cacchione (audio mixer), Phillip Blackowl (logo designer), Mindy Tucker (logo photographer). Theme song: "These Dark Times" by Caged Animals. Hosted on Acast.