The shutdown pain for federal workers and programs like Obamacare is all the news, but the 50 states are also starting to feel the crunch. How and when did the states become so dependent on Washington, D.C. dollars and what's that doing to the national debt? On this episode of All Things, Kim Strassel speaks with Senior Executive Vice President at the State Policy Network Tony Woodlief about how states have “perfected the art” of getting federal money, which now had grown into “an addiction” that is leading to more costs and worse policy. The pair also discuss the first steps toward weaning states off that money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices